Politics: abuse of the Patriot act…

An interesting bit about the PATRIOT act. Apparently, there have not been any cases of it being abused… Which is not to say that it has not been abused, but just that none that have been found so far. Interesting stuff.

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  1. Some days, I wonder if my parents are kicking themselves in the rear for moving to the U.S. just to have me.

    • Why? I am grateful that mine brought me here every time I turn on CSPAN… (no sarcasm whatsoever, btw…) With all of the ineffeciencies that come with our, largely ignorantm, democracy, I think this is a pretty damn amazing place.

      • Well, when they came here, Russia was still Communist. That, and they were considered religious refugees (I’ve heard that Russia doesn’t look too kindly upon its Jewish population, HA).

        Why am I comparing the two? *sigh* My parents came here for my freedom, as they put it all the time — but what freedom do I have? I’m sure I have more freedom than the Jews in Russia do at the moment, but it’s still extremely constrictive, and while it may be a better environment, it just seems like they were lead on.

      • Do you feel in some way restricted?

        I feel that this country is indeed free. With its boundaries, with its faults, but free nevertheless sometimes to the point of absurdity. And, while I have never experienced any form of ideological oppression save for bullies (thanks to my parents), when I read/hear/watch about past and present Russia and elsewhere, I really can not understand how people can fault US on a global scale. The Patriot Act, for instance – people kicked and screamed – but, without knowing it indepth, it seems that it was never abused (or at least such never became public knowledge), and it probably did save quite a few lives – freedom to me is not being able to do what I want when I want to, but living in a society free of oppression where I can do what I want so long as it doesn’t endanger those around me. By that measure, if they persuade me that there is a need to read my private e-mail to avert a terrorist attack – I won’t object nor would I think this will this infringe on my freedom.

        Am I wrong?

      • I do.

        Have you ever heard the expression, “I love my country but fear my government”? The conspiracies abound, and I feel like the U.S. government doesn’t trust its citizens farther than it can throw them.

        Thanks, I’m not three years old, Mr. President, I can understand that going fast on the highway puts my life in danger — you don’t have to enforce a speed limit and insult my intelligence.

        Seriously. It’s a feeling of the government acting like we need to be babysat. I can’t say what I want to say, for fear of offending someone because the government-controlled media tells people what to think, for example.

      • Speed limit – in a society as diverse as ours, there need to be rules. The sad fact is that if such rules are not enforced, the death rate from accidents would skyrocket, which would make many people unhappy, which would be undemocratic.

        Media – if anything, the net slant is anti-government.

        Freedom of speech – can you give me an examples where freedom of speech is unreasonably influenced by the government?

        I see US as a moderately effective mathematical democracy, where the freedom and democracy sometimes go against each other and must be reconciled – something not always done optimally, but, from what I see, pretty damn well.

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